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Councils Taking Legal Advice on How to Challenge Government on Housing Benefit Caps - It didn't take long for it to hit the fan!
21/01/2013
4:22 pm
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Councils being hit first by the benefits cap plan to lobby the government over fears they will be disadvantaged by the surprise move.

The government announced on 20 December that the £26,000 total household benefits cap will only apply to four councils, Haringey, Croydon, Enfield and Bromley, from 1 April and not to everywhere at the same time as widely expected. At least one, Croydon, is considering legal action to prevent the move.

Instead, the Department for Work and Pensions will phase in the transition over six months.

The four London councils - two Labour-led and two Conservative-led - are considering coming together to warn the government the move will make it more difficult and costly for them to house homeless families in temporary accommodation.

This is because other surrounding boroughs unaffected by the cap will be able to afford to place people in accommodation in the ‘capped’ boroughs, potentially leading to a shortage of suitable homes in the affected boroughs.

Ahmet Oykener, cabinet member for housing at Enfield Council, said: ‘Our homeless families will be competing in a highly competitive private rental market with residents from other London boroughs and elsewhere who will be able to pay higher rents.’

Source http://www.insidehousing.co.uk.....K1,46CDJ,1 

 

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This will be the first time that local authorities will have to worry about the rent being paid - welcome to our world! Landlords lets sit back and watch the show.

 

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21/01/2013
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Am I missing the point here, I understand that £26,000 may not be enough to support some family’s  with loads of kids and with parents who have a poor education and/or are not qualified at anything (other than shagging) and unable to earn more,  but why does that mean anyone else should support them.

Is everyone working in those areas getting over £26.000 pa net?, I cannot believe they are and if that is the case then anyone earning up to £26,000 should not be taxed or have to pay any NI contributions taken away from them to make them equal. Surely if you can’t afford to live somewhere because of your circumstances, circumstances brought about by your own actions you should have to move to a different area. What happened to “cutting our cloth to suit our coin”.

This country will never be able to prosper and grow when anyone is better on the welfare, we will never be able to tell our kids that working is the foundation of a successful community when the guy next door with ten kids takes home more on the dole than their dad does working 50 hours a week.

I am sorry but I am a bit old school and believe in living within ones means and you reap what you sow.Frown

21/01/2013
6:52 pm
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maybe someone will actually begin to pay attention to the situation now?

21/01/2013
7:10 pm
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Paul this is not about the total amount of their benefits it about allocating money to the rent before spending on other things.  No one cared when private landlords had our rents capped to the bottom third of local rents, no one cared when private landlords could not get the rent paid directly to them until the tenant had not paid for 8 weeks.

Private landlords were expected to chase the rent and go without if the tenants did not pay - why are we more able to afford that than local authorities?

 

Now that local authorities have to face benefit capping and loss of direct payment  - NOW THEY CARE. Perhaps now they will help tenants to learn to budget.

 

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21/01/2013
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Perhaps at last these 'homeless' tenants will realise that they cannot have the convenience of the 'bright lights' and they will have to move to the less advantageous North of the country, which happens to be cheaper.

There should be a wholesale exporting of the London benefit classes up North.

We don't want them down here; they are useless and contribute nothing and NEVER will!

By all means house them but for the cheapest price possible to the public purse.

If you are on benefit you have no right to determine where you live; that should be determined by the state and if you don't like it get a job and pay your own rental costs.

21/01/2013
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Hang on a minute

 

Some of us not on benefits live up North and we work hard ,  our neighbours are likewise and we like to keep it that way here -so watch your mouth :-)  Shovel them somewhere else. 

21/01/2013
11:17 pm
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Yep I know what you are saying; but it seems that councils are already exporting benefit claimants up to the 'leafy' North.

You'll have to get used to the 'cosmopolitan' tenants that the London councils send you.

We've had to suffer the wasters for years; you can have them nowSmileSmile

You have whole streets and estates that are empty and could easily be filled up with HB claimants

Councils will save a fortune sending them all up North.

It doesn't matter that there are no jobs up North; the southern wasters haven't bothered finding a job so it makes sense paying out less HB costs if they can be shipped to cheaper areas.

Sorry but that means they will be coming to near you!!

 

22/01/2013
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Just dont send any more west. Forget about what it costs us I just cannot dodge any more mastiff  s##t on the pavements Laugh.

Mary the reason we are not the same is because we are not in the club "simple".

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Please send this on to all the agents and landlords you know .. Please join me now and don’t take my last bad tenant .  Furthermore your good tenants also deserve good neighbours..

22/01/2013
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If You ask me the whole country is going West. Happy Sunsets!

22/01/2013
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Well. Both my sons have emigrated. I think i am next. I will be someone elses immigrant 

 

 

22/01/2013
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They are joining our club now Paul and they will want the rules to be changed!

 

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22/01/2013
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They are joining our club now Paul and they will want the rules to be changed!

 

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Unfortunately Mary I think even if they get the rules changed it will only be for them. I really can’t see the councils helping landlords get the same deal as them. From what I have experienced from all councils is they are “do as I say and not as I do” and they are certainly “I am all right jack pull the ladder up”

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Please send this on to all the agents and landlords you know .. Please join me now and don’t take my last bad tenant .  Furthermore your good tenants also deserve good neighbours..

22/01/2013
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I spoke to an estate agent today about how bad private landlords get treated and he agreed.

 

He said that he knows people who are living in damp council flats with needles left on their landings from drug addicts

neighbours and yet the council are never taken to court for providing bad housing or dangerous neighbours

He personally gets letters from the council telling them to sort out their landlords under threat of legal action because they have damp or bad social conditions.

The landlords get letters from the councils telling them to keep their tenants in check or else -when there are complaints! 

One law for the council and different for Private landlords 

23/01/2013
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Having, on rare occasions and usually prompted by a landlord desperate to fill their property at any cost, I have always regretted it. The only "Benefit" tenants I would take are those who work and get help because of low wages/part-time work. I also once took a chance on a young guy who had three part-time jobs rather than one full-time job. If they are working even part-time they tend to show more respect and understand that rent is a priority. The excuses of "The Council haven't paid me yet" or any excuse because the housing benefit has been spent on Sky TV, i-phones/pad etc just wear thin. I even had one tenant complain, when I asked why there was a shortfall in the (very) late rent payment, that they had had to use some of their own money!

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